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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 24, 2011 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: got two grand... er, make it a grand and a half...

Looks like the price is falling. The old bum's rush on the original offer perhaps?

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jan 24, 2011 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: got two grand... er, make it a grand and a half...

profiteering - doesn't surprise me - human nature.

One thing though - the personalisation (not sure of the exact wording) - what's it going to say:-

"This Dead E72 box belongs to 'the highest bidder on e-bay' ?

or 'salmonberryderri' - whatever ..... ????

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Jan 24, 2011 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: got two grand... er, make it a grand and a half...

I'll bet that they're selling the code to order the personalized box. I gave dead.net my email address when the pre-order system was down, and now I'm "guaranteed" one of the personalized box sets and I have two weeks to redeem my code and pre-order the thing. The seller in this case might just be forwarding a code to the highest bidder or taking the bidder's info and ordering for them? Either way, seems sketchy.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 24, 2011 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: got two grand... er, make it a grand and a half...

You are correct. In the notes they say they will need the personal info of the winning bidder so they can enter it. The codes are linked to an email addy.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 24, 2011 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I can't follow the biz-ness model in force?

Hey L (or anyone): I am still curious about how all of this goes down (purely academic interest, TRUST me!), re: no cash til later biz.

So, there were a few hoops to jump thru, via above comments, to be sure you were one of the "first 3000" so that you have that "pending charge" on your card...but still, nothing actually "expended" by any of you 7200, right?

It just seems to me that there will be many that "pull out" and then it falls to DEAD store folk to keep it all straight, who gets personalized ones, etc., since many heads I know/knew, won't have the same credit card in one month let alone eight...?

I should just think they should have charged you all something to start with? Just a deposit sorta thing? Not that I am trying to get you guys to fork over sooner than later, but the whole thing seems peculiar to me (again, not that I am complaining, and maybe's it just the Luddite in me showing through?).

EG, clearly the person that was # 1 in the sequence, drops the cr card in a month, whatever, should allow person 3001 to rec' the personalized box, right? Or will it be 7201?

Silly, I know, but sillyness is my various breads and butters around here...

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 24, 2011 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I can't follow the biz-ness model in force?

3001 gets a box with his monogram and 7201 just gets a box without any personalization and 7202 just gets the tunes.

As to your question of bookkeeping. I'd guess each CC-hold or order is time and date stamped, so it should be rather easy to bump people forward in line when others "pull out".

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 24, 2011 2:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I can't follow the biz-ness model in force?

Hey Flow--just scanned the other posts on this whole biz, and do I understand that after all the info on how unique it is, because it "sold out" they are now offering a "DL tunes only" version or some such? But for a reduced price? Sorry--I suppose somebody already answered this, but I got your attn, you're a Raider fan with time on your hands, etc., etc. (how can any Bay Area sort rte for either the Packers or Steelers? Yikes!).

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 24, 2011 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I can't follow the biz-ness model in force?

Actually they are offering the full set of CD's at the same $450 price tag.

As I understand it, it goes like this...

1-3000 = Full package with personalization(Monogram or what Elbow put on his.)

3001-7200 = Full Package without personalization.

7200 - infinity = Just discs and sleeves.

All 3 choices(2 of which are no longer available) cost $450.

I'm not actually a Raider Fan. They moved when I was 10 and I have yet to let that grudge die. When the Packers were awful in the '80s I became a fan. I have a Paul Coffman (TE #82) jersey from when I was about 12. I wore it for Halloween last year.

Not to mention Aaron Rodgers being from Chico and having attended Cal. So I've reserved my seat on the Packwagon.

This post was modified by high flow on 2011-01-25 00:35:11

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jan 24, 2011 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I can't follow the biz-ness model in force?

Yes, nothing expended. Should be easy for them to enter the data retrieved from the order form into a database. The mechanics are easy for a programmer.

I think they're just licking their chops... their "pre-order marketing idea" worked.

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Poster: advokat Date: Jan 24, 2011 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I can't follow the biz-ness model in force?

WT, I can't help, but bluedevil sent me the following info on understanding derivatives. Know it's off topic, but it is illuminating:

Understanding Derivatives -- A Primer

Heidi is the proprietor of a bar in Detroit .

She realizes that virtually all of her customers are unemployed alcoholics and, as such, can no longer afford to patronize her bar.

To solve this problem, she comes up with a new marketing plan that allows her customers to drink now, but pay later.

Heidi keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger (thereby granting the customers' loans).

Word gets around about Heidi's "drink now, pay later" marketing strategy and, as a result, increasing numbers of customers flood into Heidi's bar. Soon she has the largest sales volume for any bar in Detroit .

By providing her customers freedom from immediate payment demands, Heidi gets no resistance when, at regular intervals, she substantially increases her prices for wine and beer, the most consumed beverages.

Consequently, Heidi's gross sales volume increases massively.

A young and dynamic vice-president at the local bank recognizes that these customer debts constitute valuable future assets and increases Heidi's borrowing limit.

He sees no reason for any undue concern, since he has the debts of the unemployed alcoholics as collateral!!!

At the bank's corporate headquarters, expert traders figure a way to make huge commissions, and transform these customer loans into DRINK BONDS.

These "securities" then are bundled and traded on international securities markets.

Naive investors don't really understand that the securities being sold to them as "AAA Secured Bonds" really are debts of unemployed alcoholics. Nevertheless, the bond prices continuously climb!!!, and the securities soon become the hottest-selling items for some of the nation's leading brokerage houses.

One day, even though the bond prices still are climbing, a risk manager at the original local bank decides that the time has come to demand payment on the debts incurred by the drinkers at Heidi's bar. He so informs Heidi.

Heidi then demands payment from her alcoholic patrons, but being unemployed alcoholics they cannot pay back their drinking debts.

Since Heidi cannot fulfill her loan obligations she is forced into bankruptcy. The bar closes and Heidi's 11 employees lose their jobs.

Overnight, DRINK BOND prices drop by 90%.

The collapsed bond asset value destroys the bank's liquidity and prevents it from issuing new loans, thus freezing credit and economic activity in the community.

The suppliers of Heidi's bar had granted her generous payment extensions and had invested their firms' pension funds in the BOND securities.

They find they are now faced with having to write off her bad debt and with losing over 90% of the presumed value of the bonds.

Her wine supplier also claims bankruptcy, closing the doors on a family business that had endured for three generations, her beer supplier is taken over by a competitor, who immediately closes the local plant and lays off 150 workers.

Fortunately though, the bank, the brokerage houses and their respective executives are saved and bailed out by a multibillion dollar no-strings attached cash infusion from the government.

The funds required for this bailout are obtained by new taxes levied on employed, middle-class, nondrinkers who have never been in Heidi's bar.

Now do you understand?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 24, 2011 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I can't follow the biz-ness model in force?

Excellent! I overcharge my acct, and though not actually expending any funds, the ~ $500 prevents me from remaining "solvent" ("solute"? Salute!), I request said "bail out", and bingo! You 7200 fund my reduction in debt via your taxes (you ARE all paying, right? RIGHT?!).

And thx, uj/hflow. I get it--it's the "system" so you can keep track; when I phoned in on the Fmore Box it all seemed much more "seat of the pants" ("let me write your name on this yellow sticky;...yes! YOU will be called in the order I write these down! Trust me, Mr Tell!").

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 24, 2011 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: got two grand... er, make it a grand and a half...

Nah, he's trying to start a bidding war. The ungracious part of me hopes the wheels fall off this particular bandwagon. (No pun intended)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 24, 2011 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: got two grand... er, make it a grand and a half...

No its definitely a discount on the original flotation. The $1500 is a buy-it-now price - pony that up and it's yours - no bidding involved.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jan 24, 2011 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: got two grand... er, make it a grand and a half...

I reported this thieving asshole to ebay. This item won't even be delivered until after the summer. those morons at Rhino didn't learn a fucking lesson from that Fillmore West boxset rip off.

Those at the top of the food chain really don't care about these rip off artists. David Gans will probably have his "free" box set delivered by a band member and dropped on top of his head...

This post was modified by cousinkix1953 on 2011-01-25 05:00:12